Dennis Prager has a piece this week on good nationalism vs. bad nationalism. He starts with two dictionary definitions from Webster. Good nationalism:
But Vox Day chimes in and says baloney:
Well, I think they are both wrong.
Nationalism is the ideology, the "narrative," put together by the victor's tame intellectuals after a nation-creating war.
Let's take France. In 1000 it was a collection of princedoms, including Normandy, Flanders, Languedoc. Oh and the Ile de France, where the Capetians ruled. But the Capetians managed to dominate the other princes and force them into a kingdom of France. The language of Ile de France developed into what we would call "French." The Capetians and their successors the Valois achieved "absolute sovereignty over France in the 16th century." Says La Wik.
So when Charles de Gaulle wrote about his "certain idea of France"
The same thing happened elsewhere in Europe during the early modern period. Dominant princes upped their game and made their lands into the kingdoms that today we call "nations."
The only guys that missed out were the Germans that didn't form a "nation" until Bismarck bashed them together in three wars from 1862 to 1870.
The US? The various Brit colonies rebelled against the Brits and then called ourselves a nation. Then we got together and started to write a narrative about the United States. But everyone understood that the war of liberation was the thing. Veterans of the Revolutionary War would forever after be called by their rank during the war, as in "Colo." Hamilton. Same thing happened after the Civil War. President McKinley was always "Major" McKinley to his buddies.
But, in my view, once the war of conquest or liberation is won, then ordinary politics takes over and various political actors start to divide the nation according to their own vision of a road to power. There is obviously a tendency for this division to end up in a civil war, as it did in the US in 1861. Or, you can unite the nation and do a war in Europe, as the US did in 1917, or in the Pacific, as the US did in 1941, and unify the country around your war. But after the war, the wartime unity starts to fade. So, with the end of the Cold War in 1990, we Yanks could afford to divide into two camps and start beating each other up.
The only way to avoid this division, I would say, is to have an overarching national ideology that beats competing ideologies into submission. For a while. Thus in the 1930s the Dems beat the GOP into submission with their New Deal ideology. After World War II, the McCarthy era had the Dems on the back foot for a while until they managed to make Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-WI) into a scapegoat. But the escalation of the Cold War kinda meant that we had to unify to "contain" the Soviets before they contained us. Vietnam started as a unified effort to contain the Commies until the Dems figured out how to rile up college students against going to Vietnam as cannon fodder. 9/11 was a unifying moment for a year until the Dems figured it was safe to be anti-war again.
Is Trumpian Make America Great nationalism good or bad? You tell me.
Is politically correct Diversity and Inclusion good or bad? You tell me.
But the point of both Trumpian nationalism and Diversity and Inclusion of the Coalition of the Fringes is to unite Our supporters into a victorious political movement and to marginalize and deplatform Their people as contemptible bullies and deplorables.
So there is always a two-way struggle going on during normal times, between rivals jockeying for power. Who will define "who we are?"
But when there is an external threat, real or imagined, and our leaders manage to persuade us of the existential threat, then we all come together in national unity.
Yes, but what about the real baddies? What about Hitler's Nazis and Mussolini's Fascists?
Well, here's a little insight into Mussolini and the Fascists. Here's how Mussolini got his Fascists going. It was a pathetic rally right after World War I:
Same thing in Germany, with the hyperinflation of 1918-23 and then the debacle of the US Crash of 1929 in which the newly-minted bureaucrats of the Federal Reserve failed to act as "lender of last resort." What are you going to do when the whole place is falling apart?
My point is that Hitler is the idiot you get when the usual idiots have screwed up. Like our mammalian pals, the rats, we humans understand that when we are cornered, then it's Do or Die. When you are about to be killed, then you can either lie down and bare your neck for the descending scimitar, or you can gather your buddies together on Flight 93 and say "let's roll."
My point is that saying that this or that political narrative is good or bad misses the point. The point in practical politics is whatever works. After the event then the myth-making can begin, creating heroes out of the honored dead or vile monsters out of the defeated foe.
So, if you want history to be kind to you, then, like Churchill after World War II, you need to write it yourself. If you have the chops. Then the whole question of "good" nationalism or "bad" nationalism or this race or that race is beside the point.
You win; you write the history: our guys good, their guys bad. Then, you ask: Any questions?
I thought not.
And "race" is beside the point. Race just means "our guys."
[L]oyalty and devotion to a nation.Bad nationalism:
[A] sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.He goes on to say:
Nationalism is beautiful when it involves commitment to an essentially decent nation and when it welcomes other people’s commitment to their nations. Nationalism is evil when it is used to celebrate an evil regime, when it celebrates a nation as inherently superior to all others and when it denigrates all other national commitments.Nationalism is evil when it is "conjoined" with racism, according to Dennis.
But Vox Day chimes in and says baloney:
Nationalism is, by logic, linguistics, and definition, a subset of racism because nation is a subset of race.And you better get used to it.
Well, I think they are both wrong.
Nationalism is the ideology, the "narrative," put together by the victor's tame intellectuals after a nation-creating war.
Let's take France. In 1000 it was a collection of princedoms, including Normandy, Flanders, Languedoc. Oh and the Ile de France, where the Capetians ruled. But the Capetians managed to dominate the other princes and force them into a kingdom of France. The language of Ile de France developed into what we would call "French." The Capetians and their successors the Valois achieved "absolute sovereignty over France in the 16th century." Says La Wik.
So when Charles de Gaulle wrote about his "certain idea of France"
Toute ma vie, je me suis fait une certaine idée de la FranceWhere do you think he got his "certain idea" from? The dictionary?
The same thing happened elsewhere in Europe during the early modern period. Dominant princes upped their game and made their lands into the kingdoms that today we call "nations."
The only guys that missed out were the Germans that didn't form a "nation" until Bismarck bashed them together in three wars from 1862 to 1870.
The US? The various Brit colonies rebelled against the Brits and then called ourselves a nation. Then we got together and started to write a narrative about the United States. But everyone understood that the war of liberation was the thing. Veterans of the Revolutionary War would forever after be called by their rank during the war, as in "Colo." Hamilton. Same thing happened after the Civil War. President McKinley was always "Major" McKinley to his buddies.
But, in my view, once the war of conquest or liberation is won, then ordinary politics takes over and various political actors start to divide the nation according to their own vision of a road to power. There is obviously a tendency for this division to end up in a civil war, as it did in the US in 1861. Or, you can unite the nation and do a war in Europe, as the US did in 1917, or in the Pacific, as the US did in 1941, and unify the country around your war. But after the war, the wartime unity starts to fade. So, with the end of the Cold War in 1990, we Yanks could afford to divide into two camps and start beating each other up.
The only way to avoid this division, I would say, is to have an overarching national ideology that beats competing ideologies into submission. For a while. Thus in the 1930s the Dems beat the GOP into submission with their New Deal ideology. After World War II, the McCarthy era had the Dems on the back foot for a while until they managed to make Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-WI) into a scapegoat. But the escalation of the Cold War kinda meant that we had to unify to "contain" the Soviets before they contained us. Vietnam started as a unified effort to contain the Commies until the Dems figured out how to rile up college students against going to Vietnam as cannon fodder. 9/11 was a unifying moment for a year until the Dems figured it was safe to be anti-war again.
Is Trumpian Make America Great nationalism good or bad? You tell me.
Is politically correct Diversity and Inclusion good or bad? You tell me.
But the point of both Trumpian nationalism and Diversity and Inclusion of the Coalition of the Fringes is to unite Our supporters into a victorious political movement and to marginalize and deplatform Their people as contemptible bullies and deplorables.
So there is always a two-way struggle going on during normal times, between rivals jockeying for power. Who will define "who we are?"
But when there is an external threat, real or imagined, and our leaders manage to persuade us of the existential threat, then we all come together in national unity.
Yes, but what about the real baddies? What about Hitler's Nazis and Mussolini's Fascists?
Well, here's a little insight into Mussolini and the Fascists. Here's how Mussolini got his Fascists going. It was a pathetic rally right after World War I:
It was a ragbag of a gathering. On Sunday morning, March 23, [1919,] Mussolini addressed a group of perhaps 120 men and several women: dispirited socialists, ex-soldiers, futurists, anarchists, and other unclassifiable revolutionaries. What united them, among other things, was a belief that Italy’s horrific sacrifice for the Allied cause in the Great War — over 650,000 killed and 950,000 wounded — demanded national regeneration. She must not be denied the spoils of war: no vittoria mutilata, or mutilated victory.In other words, Italy was a mess, and chaps like Mussolini determined to do something about it.
Same thing in Germany, with the hyperinflation of 1918-23 and then the debacle of the US Crash of 1929 in which the newly-minted bureaucrats of the Federal Reserve failed to act as "lender of last resort." What are you going to do when the whole place is falling apart?
My point is that Hitler is the idiot you get when the usual idiots have screwed up. Like our mammalian pals, the rats, we humans understand that when we are cornered, then it's Do or Die. When you are about to be killed, then you can either lie down and bare your neck for the descending scimitar, or you can gather your buddies together on Flight 93 and say "let's roll."
My point is that saying that this or that political narrative is good or bad misses the point. The point in practical politics is whatever works. After the event then the myth-making can begin, creating heroes out of the honored dead or vile monsters out of the defeated foe.
So, if you want history to be kind to you, then, like Churchill after World War II, you need to write it yourself. If you have the chops. Then the whole question of "good" nationalism or "bad" nationalism or this race or that race is beside the point.
You win; you write the history: our guys good, their guys bad. Then, you ask: Any questions?
I thought not.
And "race" is beside the point. Race just means "our guys."